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Sobek's Digest

July 4, 2012

Does Islam Give Women Rights?

Islamic women's rights

Since the dawn of the Abrahamic faith, the woman had been seen as the evil temptress, the vile seducer of men, the sobbing myth driving men to their follies and demise. Her menstruation made her unclean and impure, the juices flowing from her vagina (as one Golden Islamic age Shayk put it) are the lures of the devil. She is blamed for the fall of man and the trials of humanity. Her crime: she followed Lucifer’s advice on gaining the knowledge of good and evil and thus become an intelligent being.

I wrote a few blogs with fatwas from Islam Q and A about marriage and women testimony in an Islamic court of law. Naturally I received some criticism by Muslim apologists trying to defend such dehumanizing teachings, but one argument that consistently came up (although in no way defended women’s supposed inferiority) was that Islam gave women rights in such a primitive society. So I thought, what the hell? Let’s examine!

Islam stopped female children from being buried alive

An apologetic argument used by Muslims to prove that Muhammad stopped female infanticide. While I applaud Muhammad for this ‘divine revelation’ it is of hardly any significance. Why? Because the Arabs were not in the practice of burying their daughters. It simply was not a common practice; it wasn’t endorsed and was shunned most of the time. Modern Islamists have exaggerated the issue to make it seem like it was the Arab’s Saturday hobby-that and chasing camels. It simply was not a prominent or encouraged Arab practice in any sense of the word. So while it was admirable that Muhammad forbade it, it was no miracle.

Islam gave women the right in inherit

While I agree Islam made it mandatory that women inherit portions lesser than a man, in pre-Islamic Arabia women did inherit regardless and could pass on such inheritance to their children. Khadija was successful merchant and trader and had she kept her wealth, would have passed it along to her own offspring. Apologists like to say a woman’s inheritance and money is her own and that men cannot touch it, but clearly despite women getting less inheritance, if she dies, the inheritance goes to her male counterparts. However, to say Islam gave women the right to inherit is not a miracle of Islam’s divinity or Allah’s favour upon women. Women in various other societies held prominent positions and could inherit, hold voice in politics and could even vote. Especially within the Greek society. The most prominent and woman friendly society was Sparta. Women inherited equal to that of a man! For references on Greek society, especially the Spartans I recommend you read the works of Plutarch and Aristotle. In fact Aristotle loathed Sparta because they gave their women too much freedom, liberty and inheritance.

Islam respects a woman’s chastity and modesty

This is more on terms with the subject of morality. But even then I scoff at this. The whole concept of the Muslim woman’s chastity has become a fitna in itself. Hijab has become the perfect social tool for men to control women and disrespect women who do not adhere to this item of clothing. This obsession with female virginity and modesty has bred a lot of prejudices regarding women in the Islamic world, misogyny and slut shaming. Women are classed into ‘good’ and ‘bad’ based on virginity and clothing, completely ignoring the fact that clothes and sexual activity has no bearing on society. It is a person’s good conduct, honesty and generosity to others that count. In retrospect, ‘respect’ isn’t the right term I would use. Islam enforces chastity and modesty upon women and does not equally judge a man in the same way both religiously and culturally.

Islam gives women the right to divorce

Like all other misogynistic laws and religions at the time, yes divorce was granted to women, but not on equal terms to men. I recommend you read the opinions of the Islamic clergy on this matter. The limitations imposed upon women seeking a divorce are stressful indeed and there have to be certain conditions and reasons for it. Even then divorce is hard to achieve. However a man is at complete liberty to divorce his wife. This is hardly a progress or a right for women in any sense of the world. Other societies like the Greeks and religions like Christianity did, like Islam, grant women the ‘opportunity’ to seek divorce, but they were almost impossible to obtain and the ramifications for the woman whether it succeeded or failed ended up in torturous mutilations, beatings, death perhaps and them being ostracized from society. Rather Islam gives women a slim opportunity to seek divorce with a lot to lose and little to gain.

Islam gave women the right to choose their spouse

Like divorce this was very limited. You will find many ahadith where women can simply ‘deny’ a spouse candidate but they cannot literally go out and choose their future partner. The women are under the control of their guardians or parents and thus the choice goes to them. Muhammad even once said that a virgin’s silence is her consent to marriage (it definitely is not). Again their marriage must be accepted by the state or an Imam and thus women, who choose a spouse at the displeasure of their guardian or parents will more often than not, not have their marriages sanctified by the state or religious clergy. In Western countries, this attitude has changed for moderates, but the religion still goes against them. Denying a chosen spouse by the parents and guardian, like divorce, would also have some serious consequences. Islamic clerics always stress duty and obedience towards parents so a woman refusing the wishes of her family could literally be seen as guilty of a grievous sin. Cases of honour killings in many countries and acid attacks are proof of some of the ramifications of women who defy their family’s wishes. While apologists would say this is not taught in Islam, it could easily be justified due to the woman’s disobedience. So while Islam gave women the right to deny a candidate, it didn’t give her the right to choose and even then her option to deny the candidate would often be at the expense of her own happiness and even her life.

What about the wonderful things Muhammad said about women?

True, Muhammad did say good things about women imploring men to be kind to their wives, telling his followers their duty was to their mother before their father (sadly not many Muslims actually adhere to this) , that heaven lies at the feet of the mother and in his ‘example’ should help the wives at home. But at the same time he said a lot of things that spoke plainly of misogyny, chauvinism, violence and subjugation. Kindness to a wife was really only for those wives who were unquestionably obedient. Wife beating is sanctioned in the Quran Surah 4:34. There are a few ahadith of Muhammad ordering mass wife beatings because the women had become disobedient. Women who had been beaten by their husbands came to Muhammad and they were beaten green and still Muhammad did not help them. The Prophet of Islam said women are an evil omen, that the devil dwells within them and that they are an affliction towards men. Aisha remarked in several ahadith that Muhammad compared the women to donkeys, dogs and pigs. Let’s not forget how Muhammad even let his companions indulge in raping captives in war even in front of their own husbands. Just because a few nice things are said about women, does not mean Islam is women friendly in any sense of the word.

Western women are shameless whores

A tactic commonly used when the flaws in Islamic reasoning for women rights is pointed out. Most western women are not in the profession of prostitution and are in fact hard working women, independent, respected mothers and wives with careers. I think the problem is that Muslims do not like the idea of de facto relationships in the West or prom. But that doesn’t mean a person is immoral or bad or evil. You do not judge people by such sexual activity unless it hurts people (like rape and pedophilia). I also am repulsed by the fact that the blame on sex is placed only on the women and no one says anything about the men these women are supposedly having sex with. The fact of the matter is, if the West was a cesspool of wild orgies and women and men having sex at every chance they got, we’d be in a bit of a pickle. As it stands that is not the case.

So in the end, I would say Islamic Women’s Rights is an Oxymoron.



About the Author

Pakistani Feminist
Pakistani Feminist
Pakistani feminist with a love for astronomy, writing, philosophy and debating Islamic social concepts. I love the work of Thomas Paine.




 
 

 
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19 Comments


  1. peace

    The moment i get time i will surelly respond to the LIES propagated about islam without citing any reference .
    for Now i have a gift your you guys
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShuF19mJ7c&feature=player_embedded


    • Pakistani Feminist
      Sobek

      References

      The Prophet Muhammad by Karen Armstrong
      The Prophet Muhammad (His life from the earliest sources) by Martin Lings
      Why I am not a Muslim by Ibn Warraq Chapter 14

      1. For inheritance-Quran Surah Al Nisa, the books mentioned above and the works of Plutarch and Aristotle
      2. Islamic modesty-a peer reviewed journal on sexism and rape which is in the comments and references on my many rape articles as well as citing the books above
      3. For the Sahh Bukhari on wife beatings here it is as follows:
      Comparing women to animals: Sahih Bukhari 1:9:493, See Also Sahih Bukhari 1:9:486, Sahih Muslim 4:1032, Sahih Muslim 4:1034, Sahih Muslim 4:1038, Sahih Muslim 4:1039 004:1039 adds “and the asses”

      Women are an omen to men: Sahih Bukhari 4:52:110 and Sahih Bukhari 4:52:111

      Women are blamed for Eve: Sahih Bukhari 4:55:547
      Women are an affliction to men: Sahih Bukhari 7:62:33

      About divorce, wife beating and western women I got from the opinions of Islamic scholars on Islam Q and A

      Peace asalaam alaikoum-My sources do not come from the media but various works both critical of islam, objective and pro Islam.

      Reread the article. I acknowledge that Islam did give women ‘rights’ but for the 21st Century these rights are good enough. Muslims also like to say these women’s rights are a miracle when actually many societies were women friendly and had better laws for women than Islam. Lastly you seem to be misunderstanding what I write alot. I write things from a socio-cultural perspective based on what the clerics say, the laws on Islamic lands and the Islamic culture. It may not necessarily be what islam teaches but I am not speaking from a religious perspective. I am talking about Muslim interpretations.

      I understand Peace that you have a very moderate and peaceful view of Islam. That is good and I wish you luck in your mission, but a lot of clerics endorse such extremist views on Muslim women and severely limit their rights. I ill write a future blog on what i mean and perhaps you will understand where I am coming from. Islam isn’t the problem for me, it is the way it is interperated by Muslims and clerics.


      • Pakistani Feminist
        Sobek

        forgot references on wife beating

        surah 4: 34
        Abu Dawud 11:2142 Sahih Bukhari 8:82:828, See also: Sahih Bukhari 1:7:330, and Sahih Bukhari 6:60:132
        Abu Dawud 11:2139-2142 Sahih Bukhari 7:6:715

        Finally Tabari’s version of the final sermon supported wife beating: Al-Tabari, Vol. 9, pp. 112-113


  2. peace

    Does islam really subjugate women ?? or it’s a propaganda against islam?
    let’s as those who are converting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShuF19mJ7c&feature=player_embedded


    • Nathan Harris

      “Are the western women converting to Islam By Sword or Choice?”
      And what has this got to do with OP? Anywho, I find it funny how privileged Muslim women who live in the west speak for an entire population of Muslim women who live in societies that subjugate them.


        • ashakachrublog

          a personal experience: as a feminist i am interested in all women’s rights. i went to one of the very few bookshops in hyderabad, andhra pradesh, india to buy some material on the subject. i was sold a packet of cd’s with lectures on the topic. i was so happy. when i wnt home and saw each one of them, i was so disappointed and in fact more convinced about my impressions from else about the topic. it was one mr. naik, who also monopolises in the peace channel on our tv, talking about women’s rights in slam and he was always citing the quran in a way which was so one-sided. the above article has shown how the same hadiths can have different meanings and in reality in India islamic women are by far far behind the women of other.religions. i asked myself, why could mr. naik not let one muslim woman speak for herself? there are many such examples i have experienced in life, where whenever i asked a question about women, it is their men who stand up and say ” well we never asked the women to bar burqua. if they do it out of their liking, we cant stop them” and the women in burqa sat quietly in a corner…


          • Pakistani Feminist
            Sobek

            I bet half those niqabi women you see rallying for the support of the Burqa and Niqab are men dressed up.


      • Urooj Zia

        //I find it funny how privileged Muslim women who live in the west speak for an entire population of Muslim women who live in societies that subjugate them.//

        This. Exactly.


  3. peace

    ISLAM HAS GIVEN A WOMEN
    I:Spiritual rights’,
    II: Economical rights’,
    III:Social rights’,
    IV: Educational rights’,
    V: Legal rights’, and last
    VI: Political rights’
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/29536294/Women-Rights-in-Islam-Book-By-Dr-Zakir-Naik


    • Pakistani Feminist
      Sobek

      Yes it has given them rights but those rights are limited and are only given when they yield to men. Also these rights are not equal and are not satisfactory for the society we are today.

      Islam has given women all these rights but they are limited severely based on the rules of their menfolk.


      • peace

        actually yr understanding is limited ,i have exposed your flawed research.


        • Pakistani Feminist
          Sobek

          No you haven’t really you have simply provided an opinion which isn’t backed up by credible sources whereas I have read historical, pro Islamic and critical sources.
          The fact of the matter is Islam gives them limited rights not equality.


  4. s.cheema

    nice points there and since i can safely say that my knowledge is not par with yours,i will not be able to refute many things except to act like the apologists you so detest and say that there is a reason for everything!! but Sobek i do have a point here, if i accept what you say and wish to leave islam,exactly what options do i have??
    Do i become a christian?? No please,if there are problems with islam,atleast they can be excused away by me,but the christian faith is full of such extreme vagaries(and believed me atleast they are a little too glaringly visible for my comort),that i can never even make excuses for it!
    Do i become a jew??oh,yeah sorry,i forgot that apart from virtually stealing somebody else’s land from beneath their feet,they also do not allow for conversion,either you’re born a jew or the slave of a jew(pretty little mindset though)
    Do i become a hindu??ooooooooh never!! i don’t exactly delight in the prospect of becoming a victim of satti!!
    okay i am clearly done with the three religions in the world apart from buddhism which have a following anywhere near islam’s,oh and far as buddhism is concerned,i am sorry but though i believe that buddha was truly a man of God,his teachings are far too vague for me to actually adopt as faith,afterall far as i know about his life i believe that he was not exactly all that pumped up about creating a new faith but more likely a new school of thought!!
    Now since all the my options have such definite problems attached with them,i think that in the end i either become an atheist and forget the fact that there ARE scientific discoveries giving credibility to the quran(of these i m certain, being a pakistani med student by the way),and even disregard the fact that frankly my only problem with islam has never been the quran but rather the hadith and their interpretations as well the medieval chauvinistic attitude of SOME males.
    Do suggest what i should do, because when put in retrospect i think i am far safer justifying islam atleast THAT i Can do?


    • Nathan Harris

      forget the fact that there ARE scientific discoveries giving credibility to the quran

      I’m sorry, but you do realize that they’re a load of bull, right?


    • Pakistani Feminist
      Sobek

      s.cheema

      The only advice I can give you is to follow what your conscience tells you. You can be in whatever religion or non religion you want to be, but if have trouble and are not willing to jump anywhere then here is a quote to help you. It is a philosophy I live by:

      “Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

      So I don’t think you should fret yourself. I don’t think life is about kissing the ass of your deity and I am sure if he is real (which he is not), he would want you to spend your life helping others and making the world a better place. Not praying 5 times a day, but rather doing something like giving water to the poor 5 times a day. As a way on to a medical career, your life will be devoted to helping the sick. Be content with that. Be happy, be kind, be good.

      I hope this helps.


    • adam

      Hi s.cheema,

      It sounds very much to me like you need to start thinking for yourself. Sobek has made some very valid points about islam and its treatment of and attitude towards females. Basically a male run religion who are terrified of their women. Why don’t you address the points she makes rather than trying to sidetrack the issue by talking about other, equally wrong, religions?


  5. Sabir

    Please see this excellent video on the perception of Women in Islam.
    This video should answer any doubts or misunderstandings you may have.
    http://youtu.be/RwS49jQsezA


    • Pakistani Feminist

      I have watched and I have already answered it in the blog

      1. The video talks about female infaticide-I already mentioned that fallacy in the blog
      2. Women already had the right to education even in the pre-islamic era
      3. The video talks about inheritance-I already mentioned that in the blog-women inherit less than a man and could also inherit in the pre-islamic era
      4. The video talks about divorce-I already mentioned divorce in the blog. Women could already divorce in the pre-islamic era, but when Muhammad came he put severe limitations on women’s right to divorce
      5. The video talks about women given the right to be free-not so, Muhammad allowed men to controll every aspect of their lives from how they dress to their freedom of movement to who they talked to
      6. Ridiculous to compare this to the plight of women in the West. Not one Muslim country recognizes marital rape. Wife beating is allowed in many Islamic laws and men in many Muslim countries can prohibit women getting an education or work.
      Women in the West can now vote, have equal pay, equal rights, equal inheritance. Wife beating and wife rape is against the law. You will have to try harder then that Sabir.



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