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I find that Islam is one of the largest groups that endorse rape myths. Here is what their scholar from Islam Q&A had to say:
The Arabic word ightisaab refers to taking something wrongfully by force. It is now used exclusively to refer to transgression against the honour of women by force (rape).
This is an abhorrent crime that is forbidden in all religions and in the minds of all wise people and those who are possessed of sound human nature. All earthly systems and laws regard this action as abhorrent and impose the strictest penalties on it, except a few states which waive the punishment if the rapist marries his victim! This is indicative of a distorted mind let alone a lack of religious commitment on the part of those who challenge Allaah in making laws. We do not know of any love or compassion that could exist between the aggressor and his victim, especially since the pain of rape cannot be erased with the passage of time – as it is said. Hence many victims of rape have attempted to commit suicide and many of them have succeeded, The failure of these marriages is proven and they are accompanied by nothing but humiliation and suffering for the woman.
Islam has a clear stance which states that this repugnant action is haraam and imposes a deterrent punishment on the one who commits it.
I admit I was so optimistic when I read what this scholar said. Finally someone opposed to these forced marriages and the whole rape fiasco. But this optimism soon quelled. As Dory the fish from Nemo said ‘Good feelings gone.’
No. ‘Western’ studies have shown that rapists can come in any shape or form whether previously being criminals or not. Alcohol and drugs play a role in some rapists and in others not at all. Usually the alcohol and drugs are used on the victim. But you fucked up here Mullah. If alcohol and drugs were influencing those men hiding in alley ways, they wouldn’t really be able to properly plan this crime would they? I would say alcohol and drugs mostly influence date and spouse rape, but plenty of rapists rape without. Yes they do take advantage of isolated places, just like any other crime. Hardly any of these studies, if any at all, show that it is based on women naked in the media. Lack of clothing is not correlated with rape, period. The commission for this reprehensible crime is often due to the need for power and control. For intimidation and a sense of entitlement. For revenge and anger.
Where do I start here? Covered women and uncovered women get raped. Most rapes are done by spouses not strangers. Segregating the men and women to such an extent will probably lead to more sexual perversity! Psychological studies have found that people who marry before a career are usually more depressed. Marriage does not close the door on rape. If someone wants to rape you they will. Marriage may in fact open the door on rape if the husband has rapist tendencies! These crimes occur in every society. Why don’t you quote the rape statistics of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Morocco etc? (If they care enough to keep official statistics i.e.) What kind of lives are we living? One that brings justice. We want Muslim women to take part in our free society and speak out against rape. I could argue the same for your society with its misogynistic views on women. You are the only people on Earth who punish women for being raped. But with those other things you said about Islam protecting a woman’s honor and modesty-please! This concept of modesty and honor on women is what leads to honor killings. Religious teachings of a desert Arab will not help a woman at all. Forbids women from wearing such and such and doing such and such is subjugation no matter how much you wish to sugarcoat the issue. Lastly I will point out that humans tend to want a little privacy when they go out now and then hence a woman having a Maharem or a chaperone around her 24/7 just denies her some basic rights.
Explain why you punish the victim with this usually, instead of the perpetrator?
In our view the man who rapes a woman, whether she is a virgin or not, if she is a free woman he must pay a “dowry” like that of her peers, and if she is a slave he must pay whatever has been detracted from her value. The punishment is to be carried out on the rapist and there is no punishment for the woman who has been raped, whatever the case. End quote.
And what a contradiction. Apparently Imam Malik stated himself there is NO PUNISHMENT FOR THE WOMAN WHATEVER THE CASE. I am so surprised. Your own famous ancient scholar said this? And yet you contradicted yourself above by implying women have some measure over what has happened to them by the clothing they wear. However old Malik here basically said ‘no excuses.’ Well I have to praise the man here. I just have to.
Shaykh Salmaan al-Baaji (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
In the case of a woman who is forced (raped): if she is a free woman, the one who forced her must pay her a “dowry” like that of her peers, and the hadd punishment is to be carried out on him. This is the view of al-Shaafa’i, and it is the view of al-Layth, and it was also narrated from ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him).
Abu Haneefah and al-Thawri said: the hadd punishment is to be carried out on him but he is not obliged to pay the “dowry”.
The evidence for what we say is that the hadd punishment and the “dowry” are two rights, one of which is the right of Allaah and the other is the right of the other person. So they may be combined, as in the case of a thief whose hand is cut off and he is required to return the stolen goods. End quote.
Great. Compensate the rape victim. If only these rulings were more prominent.
As Dory said ‘Good feelings done’
The scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (i.e., if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess, and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her, which may be proven by her screaming and shouting for help. End quote.
Hardly any rapes have witnesses. Again you said above (and by fact) that the rapists rape women in an isolated place. So how does she prove it? With DNA evidence, physical examinations for bruising and damage to the vagina and/or anus, testimony from rape experts, data experts and doctors and if possible witnesses. You do not assume a woman is not raped because of a lack of screaming. A rapist could have a knife to her, tape her mouth shut and what about if it is a spouse raping her in the bedroom? No one will witness a rape except the victim and perpetrator so you cannot base his punishment on witnesses and her screaming. Honestly what century are we living in?
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whoever is the sister , who writes these articles.seems to me utterly ignorant of islamic literature.i wont waste my time in responding to each and very point she made / I would shed light on a few of them.
\\No. ‘Western’ studies have shown that rapists can come in any shape or form whether previously being criminals or not\\.
well the stats show that those who rape a women after coming out of the prison , rape again! so it shows that those who rape are often previously being criminals.therefore islam has prescribed a stiff punishment for rapist.\.
// But you fucked up here Mullah.”//\.
first of All, if this is the way how educated people write artilces then let me say that I wud happy to b an uneducated man.
\\If alcohol and drugs were influencing those men hiding in alley ways, they wouldn’t really be able to properly plan this crime would they? //
when does the scholar say that that drunken criminal will first plan? this is straw-man! rather he is saying that for example I am drunken and I saw a girl passing by me..i need not plan , as I am physically stronger so I can overcome her easily…
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Lack of clothing is not correlated with rape, period. \\
why not! OUR PREMISE IS THAT wearing less CLOTHS IS ONE OF THE FACTORS WHICH INCREASES RAPE RATE.imagine I am horny and found a girl without cloths!!!! what would happen?? . there are many stats saying the same..let me share…
The statistics on rape in the UK, as outlined by Kat Banyard in The Equality Illusion: The Truth about Women and Men Today, are distressing:
Around 100 000 women a year will be raped in the UK.
Fewer than 17% of rapes are perpetrated by strangers.
13% of rapes take place in public spaces.
2/3 of women who are raped will develop post-traumatic stress disorder.
Women raped by their intimate partner are 10 times more likely to be subjected to multiple sexual assaults.
This works out to one women being raped every 6 minutes in the UK; over a third of these women will go on to be raped again during the following 12 months.
2009 British Government Survey on Rape found that:
43% of people think a woman should be held (partly) responsible for their rape if they had been flirting with the man.
42% believe that women should be held (partly) responsible for their rape if they had been taking drugs.
36% believe that women should be held (partly) responsible for their rape if they had been drunk.
26% believe that women should be held (partly) responsible for their rape if they were wearing sexy or revealing clothes.
i think all 26% who say that wearing sexy clothing is one of the factors in being raped are misogynists loooooooooool.
\\ You are the only people on Earth who punish women for being raped\\.
WELL THIS IS THE BIGGEST BLUNDER…ISLAM DOESn’t SAY HAT WHERE DID U GET IT FROM,,,, THE STATEMENT OF IMAM MALIK IS SUFFICIENT TO REFUTE U “there is no punishment for a women who has been raped…”
\\Hardly any rapes have witnesses. Again you said above (and by fact) that the rapists rape women in an isolated place. So how does she prove it? With DNA evidence, physical examinations for bruising and damage to the vagina and/or anus, testimony from rape experts, data experts and doctors and if possible witnesses\\.
well I agree with u ,, in order to identify whether a women is raped or not.we shd use aforementioned methods and islam has a system to jo ijtihaad so we can very well use theses methods..so where the problem lies?
Peace you said: well the stats show that those who rape a women after coming out of the prison , rape again! so it shows that those who rape are often previously being criminals.therefore islam has prescribed a stiff punishment for rapist.\.
Yes no one is agreeing with the justice system, but in the West we are neither barbaric animals. Prison is a time to reflect and think about your actions and learn remorse. We do not mindlessly kill people. We try to rehabilitate them and help them get better. I myself am a victim of rape and even though my rapist deserves to be punished I would not wish him to be stoned to death.
You said: when does the scholar say that that drunken criminal will first plan? this is straw-man! rather he is saying that for example I am drunken and I saw a girl passing by me..i need not plan , as I am physically stronger so I can overcome her easily…
Because he said they take women in isolated places. Rape in such cases requires precise planning and there are many famous cases. Try Ted Bundy for example (he was also a serial killer though). Drunken unplanned rape is something akin to date rape or raping a woman in your house. But then again even if one is drunk does not automatically mean one will rape. Most drunken men will probably hoot and cat call and why would a naked woman be randomly on the street? I also think you need to look u the definition of strawman.
You said: why not! OUR PREMISE IS THAT wearing less CLOTHS IS ONE OF THE FACTORS WHICH INCREASES RAPE RATE.imagine I am horny and found a girl without cloths!!!! what would happen?? . there are many stats saying the same..let me share…
Why not? Because countless scientific and psychological studies have shown that rape is about power and dominance. Old and young women have been raped. Covered or uncovered. Did you know most rapes are done by husbands/boyfriends not strangers? Wearing less clothes is not one of the factors that increases rape at all. It is a purely social mindset. Look at the tribes of Africa, Native Americans and Aboriginals. Even today they walk around half or fully naked. Is there high raping in their tribes? No. If you are horny and found a girl without clothes, most men would be wondering why the hell she is naked and would try to help her. You would have to be a complete animal to rape a poor naked girl in the middle of somewhere. There are plenty of peer reviwed journals on rapists which I could send you if you wish to give me your email. Even pick up any book on it.
You said:
The statistics on rape in the UK, as outlined by Kat Banyard in The Equality Illusion: The Truth about Women and Men Today, are distressing:
Around 100 000 women a year will be raped in the UK.
Fewer than 17% of rapes are perpetrated by strangers.
13% of rapes take place in public spaces.
2/3 of women who are raped will develop post-traumatic stress disorder.
Women raped by their intimate partner are 10 times more likely to be subjected to multiple sexual assaults.
This works out to one women being raped every 6 minutes in the UK; over a third of these women will go on to be raped again during the following 12 months.
Yes as I said most women are raped by their partners so this ultimately refutes the ‘she was too sexy’ theory. Partners are raped for power and control.
You said: 2009 British Government Survey on Rape found that:
43% of people think a woman should be held (partly) responsible for their rape if they had been flirting with the man.
You have not referenced this and remember there is a lot of misogyny even in the West. Many people do not know the myths and facts surrounding rape. I would also like you to provide the reference for this along with what culture this 43% consisted of predominantly.
42% believe that women should be held (partly) responsible for their rape if they had been taking drugs.
36% believe that women should be held (partly) responsible for their rape if they had been drunk.
26% believe that women should be held (partly) responsible for their rape if they were wearing sexy or revealing clothes.
Again this is all misogyny something prevalent in all societies. No person should be held responsible for a crime committed against them! This is why the law ignores the views of the people in these cases because they are ignorant of the scientific and psychological mindset of rapists. Also please provide a proper valid reference for this along with what these groups constituted of. But how does relate to the article? if anything it shows that the Mullah (who is responsible for justice) support this sort of misogyny.
You said: WELL THIS IS THE BIGGEST BLUNDER…ISLAM DOESn’t SAY HAT WHERE DID U GET IT FROM,,,, THE STATEMENT OF IMAM MALIK IS SUFFICIENT TO REFUTE U “there is no punishment for a women who has been raped…”
Many women are punished for being raped all over the islamic world. Why is that? Yes I read what this said-by Imam Malik actually. He said there was no excuse for a man to rape a woman (but you are making excuses) However no Muslims are following his words. They punish the woman for Zina.
So in light of this Peace, if you want to have a bigger discussion on this about the myths and facts surrounding rape, I would be more than willing to converse through email and if not through my fb (Alexandria Bhat.) Then perhaps you can learn the truth of this and help your sisters in Islam not be victims of breaches of justice.
//Yes no one is agreeing with the justice system, but in the West we are neither barbaric animals. Prison is a time to reflect and think about your actions and learn remorse.//
looool the stats show that those,who are poisoned due to rape crime,are likely to commit rape again ..therefore in western society women are often raped i think u didnt read the stats carefully “Around 100 000 women a year will be raped in the UK.” … According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. Theyear was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americansgot ‘bolder’ in the following years…..so in every minute a women is raped ….i think animals lives in your society …. Now consider a scenario where the Islamic hijab is followed in America. Whenevera man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to hismind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijab, that is thecomplete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. Afterthis if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in sucha scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, orwill it decrease?
//. I myself am a victim of rape and even though my rapist deserves to be punished I would not wish him to be stoned to death.//
I keep on asking non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife,your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought infront of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they wouldput him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him todeath.u said that u were raped ,i highly doubt it….but suppose if we accept your story to b true then i think u would like to b raped again and again .but we love our mothers and sisters …therefore in islam there is death panelty for rapists .
//Because he said they take women in isolated places. Rape in such cases requires precise planning and there are many famous cases//
i think u forgot your own words here am quoting wt the sheikh actually said
“.they take advantage of the fact that their victims are walking alone in isolated places, or staying in the house alone. ”
where does it say that “they take women in isolated places” ???????.Now this strawman…u tried to misrepresent your opponent’s argument .
//Why not? Because countless scientific and psychological studies have shown that rape is about power and dominance. Old and young women have been raped\\
well i didnt say that wearing sexy cloths will definitely lead to being raped rather i said it’s a factor and i even Quoted “educated”people of your society saying ” 26% believe that women should be held (partly) responsible for their rape if they were wearing sexy or revealing clothes” ….all those who participated in this poll misogynists???? or they were fools ??? well i really dont understand your definition of misogyny …every thing that is supported by facts,if goes against our thinking u label it as misogyny..i think u need to come out of fanatic feminism..which is responsible for creating hatred b/w men and women by creating a competitive scenario..where women are obsessed in proving that men and women are equal in every respect..which is scientifically flawed i really wonder, would u label a scientist as misogynist if he saysthat men are better than women in some respects????…well of course even if men are better than women in some respects that doesnt mean men are superior and i agree with it. but from your definition of misogyny that scientist is misogynist in asserting that men are better than women in those particular respects….but our premise is that women arent fools but Almighty God has given some abilities to men and some to women ..there are thing at which women are perfect but we, men arent, so what!!! we accept that happily we dont label a women as “misandry” when she says that women are better than men at verbal communication and there are umpteen other things at which women are better than men(see the definitive book of the body language by allen and barbara)
\\ Wearing less clothes is not one of the factors that increases rape at all. It is a purely social mindset.//
i have quoted the sentiments of your own people Moreover i didnt say that a woman who covers herself is not raped ..rather a women who is wearing sexy cloths is likely to b raped ..ask any eve teaser he will tell u better…
// Look at the tribes of Africa, Native Americans and Aboriginals.\\
well this is wrong inference …i argued for our society not for exceptional societies . moreover i can show so that there are African tribes in which theft is not a crime ,so can i say that in our society theft shd not be deemed as a crime????????????
\\ If you are horny and found a girl without clothes, most men would be wondering why the hell she is naked and would try to help her//
come on there are ladies ‘battered’on streets in your society and no one comes to help her , have even looked at the stats ,showing how many women are battered every day in your society????.looooooooooooli dont think a horny man would like to think ..
\\ You would have to be a complete animal to rape a poor naked girl in the middle of somewhere.//
yes in your society such a animals exists therefore 100s of women are raped every hour..
//Many women are punished for being raped all over the islamic world. Why is that?///
i am defending islam not any islamic country ..if any muslim doesnt not follow islam so that particular individual must b m blamed not islam.
//So in light of this Peace, if you want to have a bigger discussion on this about the myths and facts surrounding rape, I would be more than willing to converse through email and if not through my fb (Alexandria Bhat.) Then perhaps you can learn the truth of this and help your sisters in Islam not be victims of breaches of justice.//
well if u respond to my comments by txting me on fb then i will reply u on fb …. peace mission
You said: looool the stats show that those,who are poisoned due to rape crime,are likely to commit rape again ..therefore in western society women are often raped i think u didnt read the stats carefully “Around 100 000 women a year will be raped in the UK.” … According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. Theyear was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americansgot ‘bolder’ in the following years…..so in every minute a women is raped ….i think animals lives in your society ….
Animals live in every society. The West takes note of its crime, but those rapes were not committed because of a woman’s lack of clothing. Do you know what animal society to me is? Not recognizing rape at all, punishing rape victim or making rape victim marry rapist like they do in Afghanistan and Morroco. Your from Pakistan Peace, marital rape is not even recognized and women who are raped are accused of zina and do not get justice. Mukhtar Mai’s rapists were all set free despite their being physical evidence for her gang rape and an entire village of witnesses since she was raped in public.
Why does the Islamic world shy away from the stats? Also you are not referencing these stats.
Now consider a scenario where the Islamic hijab is followed in America. Whenevera man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to hismind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijab, that is thecomplete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. Afterthis if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in sucha scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, orwill it decrease?
Increase due to sexual oppression. Rape is about power and dominance not sex. Rape can be decreased with proper education and good up bringing as well as bringing about mutual respect between the sexes.
“.they take advantage of the fact that their victims are walking alone in isolated places, or staying in the house alone. ”
where does it say that “they take women in isolated places” ???????.Now this strawman…u tried to misrepresent your opponent’s argument .
I apologize I misread. If they are taking ‘advantage’ of the fact then they are sober enough to plan an attack. A drunken man in an alley way won’t be able to do much now will he?
well i didnt say that wearing sexy cloths will definitely lead to being raped rather i said it’s a factor and i even Quoted “educated”people of your society saying ” 26% believe that women should be held (partly) responsible for their rape if they were wearing sexy or revealing clothes” ….all those who participated in this poll misogynists???? or they were fools ??
It is not a factor at all as these studies have shown. These ‘educated’ people do not know the myths and facts of rape. People can be educated and still be misogynistic. Many people in society harbour misogynistic views. It is a problem prevalent in the whole world.
You said: well i really dont understand your definition of misogyny …every thing that is supported by facts,if goes against our thinking u label it as misogyny..i think u need to come out of fanatic feminism..which is responsible for creating hatred b/w men and women by creating a competitive scenario..where women are obsessed in proving that men and women are equal in every respect..which is scientifically flawed i really wonder, would u label a scientist as misogynist if he saysthat men are better than women in some respects????
But you are not giving facts. You are giving unreferenced statistic even when I have presented you with evidence. Things that incite woman hatred like blaming women for being raped or dictating what they should wear is misogyny. You were banished in the fb comments for not bringing proper scientific peer reviewed journals about men and women in intelligence. Women and men are equal and we established that quite thoroughly. Unless that scientists provided sufficient evidence which has been extensively peer reviewed and accepted by the wider scientific community, then I would not, but if not then I would.
You said: i have quoted the sentiments of your own people Moreover i didnt say that a woman who covers herself is not raped ..rather a women who is wearing sexy cloths is likely to b raped ..ask any eve teaser he will tell u better…
No you quoted unreferenced stats even when I offered to reference you psychologically accepted books and peer reviewed journals on the matter. There is no woman who is ‘more likely’ to be raped. it depends on the rapist’s fantasy. Also an ‘eve teaser?’ What exactly is that?
well this is wrong inference …i argued for our society not for exceptional societies . moreover i can show so that there are African tribes in which theft is not a crime ,so can i say that in our society theft shd not be deemed as a crime????????????
No it is a perfect analogy. These are not exceptional societies. These are our ancients. I am not talking about their laws, but their social mindsets. They do not have this concept of sexual shame hence rapes are low. It also shows that rape is about power not clothes as the people in these tribes walk around naked.
You said\\ If you are horny and found a girl without clothes, most men would be wondering why the hell she is naked and would try to help her//
come on there are ladies ‘battered’on streets in your society and no one comes to help her , have even looked at the stats ,showing how many women are battered every day in your society????.looooooooooooli dont think a horny man would like to think ..
Battered on the streets? Perhaps the crime happens once in a while but in our society people call the police. I think you are confusing the West with Afghanistan where it is a common thing to see a beaten to death woman on the streets. Trust me a horny man is capable of logic. Most men will not rape a battered woman on the street.
You said: yes in your society such a animals exists therefore 100s of women are raped every hour.
Same for Islamic societies like Pakistan and Afghanistan and Yemen. Your point?
You said//Many women are punished for being raped all over the islamic world. Why is that?///
i am defending islam not any islamic country ..if any muslim doesnt not follow islam so that particular individual must b m blamed not islam.
Your defense of Islam is placing women lower then men, blaming them for rape and using unreferenced statistics (which shows rape crimes but now WHY it is done)? That is your defense? You must have misread the article too.
You said: I keep on asking non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife,your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought infront of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they wouldput him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him todeath.u said that u were raped ,i highly doubt it….but suppose if we accept your story to b true then i think u would like to b raped again and again .but we love our mothers and sisters …therefore in islam there is death panelty for rapists .
Rape is a horrible and severely devastating thing and you think I would like to be raped again and again? Do you know what sort of people say such things? Misygonists. Do you know what sort of people accuse women of lying about rape? Misygonists.
I didn’t say i didn’t want my rapist dead. I said I couldn’t stone him. Of course many people would like to inflict pain on those who hurt their loved ones, but in a civil manner they’d take it to court which is what most western people do. Because of such a statement you made about my assault, I will not converse with a pathetic excuse for a man such as yourself. Rape is a dehumanizing things that no woman wishes to experience at all let alone ‘again.’
I can only hope you will educate yourself on the matter and God willing you will cease to be a misogynist and a rape myth promoter.
here are some references for you to buy and educate yourself-these cases are all pased on valid psychological studies, scientific studies, social policies and law:
Patricia Easteal and LouiseMcOrmond-Plummer (2006) Real Rape, Real Pain Victoria, Australia
Patricia Searlesand Ronald J. Berger (1995) Rape and Society Westview Press Inc America
Exploitation of Persons Seminar: Rape, Prostitution, Pornography: proceedings (1978) University of Adelaide
Rebecca Campbell (2008) The Psychological Impact of Rape Victims’ Experiences with the Legal, Medical and Mental Health Systems. American Psychologist, 702-718
Dominic Abrams, G. Tendayi Vikki, Gerd Bohner and Barbara Masser (2003) Perceptions of Stranger and Acquaintance Rape : The Role of Benevolent and Hostile Sexism in Victim Blame and Rape Proclivity. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. 84 (1) 111-125
G. Tendayi Viki, Dominic Abrams, Barbara Masser (2004) Evaluating Stranger and Acquaintance Rape: The Role of Benevolent Sexism in Perpetrator Blame and Recommended Sentence Length. Law and Human Behaviour. 28 (3) 295-303
Oh god, yeah, don’t get me started on that. Luckily I think more pepole are open to the view that men can also be raped, especially in more liberal circles like here, but for some reason, the same can’t be said for women. Date rape is just kind of ignored. Not only does the age-old idea that marriage equals automatic consent remain rooted in our culture, it’s transpired to also applying when pepole stay in a relationship (if she stays in a dangerous relationship, she must not really be in danger; she was in a relationship with him, how could she be raped?). And the fact this idea comes not only from men, but especially from other women is just appalling.Sometimes we think society has finally moved forward, but then we realize we haven’t moved that far along at all
I’ve thought about it, and I just can’t find that as a valid aremugnt. Yes, the game’s tasteless; yes, persons with class should avoid and not support it; but no, it’s not in some special category distinct from the other tasteless games of history.To say that RapeLay encourages and supports the culture of rape is no different than to say that Hitman propagates and reinforces the notion that killing people for money is cool and okay, or that Hitman gives comfort and sanction to the world’s existing professional killers. The RapeLay aremugnt puts sexualised violence in a special class above and beyond the horrors of murder, war, and genocide, and I can’t see any particular reason for that being valid that isn’t horribly disrespectful of at least one class of people in society.I post not to win the aremugnt but to explore the issue; I’m genuinely interested to hear the flaws in my reasoning. (And in the similar post on the issue over at my blog.)
It is more than 30%. More like 50%.Women lie about rape in order to get attention and syptamhy. For example, an accusation of rape will mobilize an army of people to help the woman, get her paid leave from hr job, get her free rent, etc.California passed a law that a landlord has to give free rent to a woman who files a rape accusation (whether true or not). Nice incentive there!Women also lie about rape to ‘undo’ having had sex with a man she later considers unworthy. Women get partial-birth abortions for the same reason – to ‘undo’ a conception with a man who later loses his job, etc.
There’s two types of NOs. There’s the NO where she doesn’t want to but deep down does (this is the scary one because even Tom Hanks in all his DaVinci Code glory can’t dechpier that conundrum). Then there’s the NO which is pretty blatant. And it can be difficult to dechpier as each woman is different.Rape is an absolutely disgusting act that should automatically lead to life in prison for those foolish enough to violate a woman (or a man). I know nothing compares to the touch of a woman (for me anyway) but there’s a difference between enjoying her company mutually and forcing yourself upon her. Why men who do this dispicable act rather than masturbate in the privacy of their own home is beyond me. There is no excuse for anyone to force another sexual act on anything (be it man or animal).Moral: Take NO seriously no matter if she’s joking or serious about it. Better to be safe than prosecuted.
//Increase due to sexual oppression. Rape is about power and dominance not sex. Rape can be decreased with proper education and good up bringing as well as bringing about mutual respect between the sexes.//
r u saying that the most literate societies of the are uneducated???the most advanced society doesnt know that rape is wrong??????????????loooooooooool
come on! every one knows that ..but to prevent raping apart from education even stiff punishment is also needed..and therefore islam prescribe death penalty or stoning in some cases .bcoz the punishment is so stiff that rapist would think thrice before raping .. u implement the islamic laws and u will see the +ve results immediately
/But you are not giving facts. You are giving unreferenced statistic even when I have presented you with evidence. Things that incite woman hatred like blaming women for being raped or dictating what they should wear is misogyny. You were banished in the fb comments for not bringing proper scientific peer reviewed journals about men and women in intelligence. Women and men are equal and we established that quite thoroughly. Unless that scientists provided sufficient evidence which has been extensively peer reviewed and accepted by the wider scientific community, then I would not, but if not then I would//
actually mr natha haris had written his article wiith out reading the very same paper which he was quoting and i have refuted him and proved my point that men in general r intelligent than woman.but hang on, does that mean that women are fool.??.for example if i tell u that i always stand first in my class and my brother stand 2nd ..does that mean my brother is fool???.no actually not,similarly when we say that men is more intelligent it means that he is more Good at crtical thinking , philosophy etc and i would recommend u to read my comments on natha haris’s article and u will realize that nathan has writtten the article with out reading that very article…the most hilarious thing is that he was saying that the follow up research ,to the research i presented, has refuted my presented research but if u actually read the paper ,that nathan was citing,that very paper actually endorsed my assertion..i wanna mention again that having a bit low intelligence doesnt mean that women are fools
do look at ignorance of mr nathan
http://www.rationalhub.com/blogs/musings/2012/05/19/stop-using-science-to-justify-stereotypes/
//Battered on the streets? Perhaps the crime happens once in a while but in our society people call the police. I think you are confusing the West with Afghanistan where it is a common thing to see a beaten to death woman on the streets. //
i am not confusing afghanistan with your society i think for afghanistan u shd watchYvonne Ridley’s article and she will tell how women are treated in afghanistan.. i think u know her..she accepted islam after coming back from afghanistan..
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Trust me a horny man is capable of logic.//
loooool ask a horny man and he will tell u that it’s naerly impossible to be logical ..lol
// Most men will not rape a battered woman on the street.//
i didnt assert that.
//Your defense of Islam is placing women lower then men, blaming them for rape and using unreferenced statistics (which shows rape crimes but now WHY it is done)? That is your defense? You must have misread the article too.//
well again where does islam say that women are responsible for being raped??..if that ere he case then islam would have prescribed death punishment for rapists
well it’s your people who say that ,remember 26%?????..our premise is that we want to minimize any chance which would lead to be raped ..so cloths can play a ,although minor,role so there fore in islam women shd b dressed with modesty and every man dhd not look at a women with lust…and a few more requirement after tht if a man rapes a woman then death is his destiny and that’s logical even u accepted it that u wont like ur rapist to b alive and no sane women will let him alive…
// didn’t say i didn’t want my rapist dead. I said I couldn’t stone him. Of course many people would like to inflict pain on those who hurt their loved ones, but in a civil manner they’d take it to court which is what most western people do//
i think u are westernized to much actually your legal system is actually responsible for increasing rape rate,and violence against women..do u know stats show that those criminals, who are imprisoned due to rape crime,when come out, rape again?????
If by results you mean stoning the rape victims to death for aduletry then you have tons of statistics, and rape is about sex, and power, and control. All of which Islam teaches.
To say that RapeLay encourages and suprpots the culture of rape is no different than to say that Hitman propagates and reinforces the notion that killing people for money is cool and okay, or that Hitman gives comfort and sanction to the world’s existing professional killers.I post not to win the argument but to explore the issue; I’m genuinely interested to hear the flaws in my reasoning.*sigh* You might want to start with just Googling the term Rape Culture because you obviously don’t understand how those words are being used here.
A lot of it also depends on which state you live in, since some have betetr legislature than others. Mostly though, what really makes me sad is how some of my fellow students can think that way, especially about date rape and rape in marriage.But when you think about the fact that at one point in our history (worldwide, I’d imagine), wives were simple property, and had no rights, you understand why some of this kind of thinking still exists. It’s just depressing that in 2011, some of it can still come from fellow women.
You’d think that women would be more sympathizing than that. That’s relaly just disappointing overall.
And I can’t believe your friend said that husbands don’t rape their wives. >>; Just because they’re married by law doesn’t mean they have no say whether they want to engage or not. >(. . . In regards to rape, my brother posed this scenario (a very ridiculous one to boot but you know how he is) and told me to ask you about it. Will poke you about it when I see you online? xD;
: is this what u call an ” educated” society??? ..i show u a few stats right i can show u thousands but i think u shod read the links i provided..
Somewhere in America a woman is battered, usually by her intimate partner, every 15 seconds. (UN Study On The Status of Women, Year 2000)
http://www.feminist.com/antiviolence/facts.html
A woman is beaten every 15 seconds in the United States. (Bureau of Justice Statistics, Report to the nation on Crime and Justice. The Data. Washington DC Office of Justice Program, US Dept. of Justice. Oct 1983)
http://www.domesticpeace.com/ed_nationalstats.html
So the best you can do is statistics that are 12 and 21 years old? I mean that is like me saying a certain prophet married a 6 year old, and calling him a pedophile. You will say it happened so long ago, but he is still a pedophile. The thing is the justification for the beatings is in the religion. It is in the Quran. It is ordered, men here do it because they are ignorant, men do it in islam because they are literally told to do it.
Rachel he was already presented with evidence in the facebook comments and he was banished for not using logical reasoning. Quoting statistics doesn’t show any correlation or causation based on what you wear and he ignores the stats in his own country of Pakistan (considered number 3 worst place for women in the world). He still insists on supporting rape myths based on assumptions, not scientific and psychological evidence. He is also ignoring and missing the whole point of the article which is about Islamic clerics lying about women’s issues. I say let the child sulk.
cham, that’s a terrible tadgery that not charges are going to fix, but i see your point about what we call restraining orders here in canada. they should be binding on both parties…as any legal contract is.a client of mine, a 25 year old man, had a restraining order placed on him by his ex-girlfriend. she decided she missed him, or somesuch, and called him up to come over. when he appeared the police arrested him and held him until trial on a prior charge of assault.when he was arrested he was in possession of several counterfeit $20 and $50 bills, which didn’t make things easier.men and women fight in different ways…
//So the best you can do is statistics that are 12 and 21 years old? I mean that is like me saying a certain prophet married a 6 year old, and calling him a pedophile. You will say it happened so long ago, but he is still a pedophile. //
looooooool this an old cliche ,we have several times refuted it.But the people who are aginast islam ,they ‘ hardly’ read our refutation.They love to visit coward;s sina ,’ Shame Shame on’ sites.ut they dont dare to listen our view point..is this rationality??.it’s a biased approach..people hate islam and therefore they are often at bashing end.here is our refutation and we can articulate very effective rebuttal
.http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2008/07/why-prophet-muhammad-married-aisha-when.html
//The thing is the justification for the beatings is in the religion. It is in the Quran. It is ordered, men here do it because they are ignorant, men do it in islam because they are literally told to do it.//
rebuttal :http://www.answering-christianity.com/beating_yes.htm
This is not about religious debate. In regards to rape facts here:
http://www.rationalhub.com/blogs/sobeks-digest/2012/06/09/sexual-assault-an-evolutionary-perspective/
in my comments poicly, it is not my role to serve as an educator on gender and sexuality issues and feminist issues. In order to explain why I believe rape culture should be distinguished from a general culture of violence, I would have to explain the history of oppression against women. I would have to explain what sexism actually is, because a lot of people who, in principle think sexism is bad, really don’t understand it. I would have to explain misogyny and I would have to explain what the patriarchy is and how rape culture fits into it. Explaining these issues to well-meaning, but clueless people who just don’t get it is extremely stressful and extremely draining, both mentally and emotionally. It inevitably turns out into a long, drawn out debate, verging on a flame war, because non-feminists are not interested in challenging their perspectives. At. All. Quite honestly, the thought of trying to explain these issues to you in the context of rape and rape culture is a wearying prospect. Whilst you say you are interested in exploring the issue (which is fantastic), I am not interested in educating you or expanding your knowledge, when you are perfectly able to do that on your own (as I have done on my own). I have been in similar situations way too many times before, and all I end up is frustrated and pissed off for days.I realise you may be annoyed that I don’t want to engage in discussion with you on this issue. You may think that I’m just trying to avoid debate because I can’t explain my position. I have debated on this blog many times before, so arguing my position isn’t really a problem for me (please see for an example). What it is is draining. I have been involved in too many stressful internet debates with strangers to relish these opportunities. Frankly, I’m not in the mood for this right now.What I would suggest to you is, if you are truly interested in exploring this and discovering the flaws in your reasoning then you should take responsibility for your own education before you enter into a discussion completely unprepared, which is what you are doing here. Go read some feminist blogs that discuss rape and sexual violence, but do so with full awareness of your male . Don’t comment on any of those sites until you’re completely sure you grasp the issues, because you’ll look really ignorant. Read, understand, and absorb. Google rape culture like oliemoon suggested, and start educating yourself. is a good place to start. is another good place to start, and their might be another good starting point.
I don’t know why, but for some reason (more than I’d iinmgaed) women don’t sympathize as much with other women? You’d think they’ve understand the difficult situation, but some women just don’t. The things some of the women jurors said were shocking. I mean if I was back in my hometown, I’d be less surprised, but this is SF I think I’m just lucky most of the guys in the class are understanding, so they voted for prosecution (the rest I suspect don’t want to appear like a douche bag).But yeah, basically, you want to be raped by a stranger, not an acquaintance. 8(